When was the 'City Beneath the Sea' story first told ?

Eddy_P · Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Australia

Solon - Athenian traveler, poet, and lawgiver who lived from approximately 638-559 BC.
According to Plato it was he who learned of the story of Atlantis from an Egyptian priest.

So an Egyptian Priest may have been the first to view/tell the story of Atlantis.

Plato wrote the Atlantis dialogues some time around 360 BC.
SOURCE: http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/Atlantis/timaeus_and_critias.html

900 years earlier derives 1260 BC (if the translated 9,000 years was meant to be 900 years).

Did something happen in Egypt around this time that may have spawned the Atlantis Legend ?

dlerinc · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:16 pm

Exodus. Mozes second book (Book of Exodus)
Nabu becomes adviser and court magician to the pharaoh Ramses. He is in battle with the Spectre, who kills Ramses for his crimes against the Hebrews. Ignore Nabu's warnings, the pharaoh's son, Ramses II, continues the persecution of the Hebrews. In retaliation, the Spectre slays the first-born sons of Egypt and then protects the Hebrews by parting the Red Sea as they flee the pharaoh's troops. (The murder of the Egyptian first-born is described in Exodus, the parting of the Red Sea in Exodus.)

The priest called Ahk-ton discovers a meteor, from which he fashions the Orb of Ra. He attempts to use this power to overthrow the pharoah, Ramses. He is captured, but before he can be executed, he is transformed by the meteor into the Metamorph.

Collapse (demise) of Hanigalbat (Metanni)

Fall of Troy
Helen or
The Egyptian intelligence fomented war between Greece and Troy, for Egyptian political gain: late Bronze Age civilizations across the eastern Mediterranean, including the Mycenaean Greek Confederacy and the Hittite Empire, collapsed amidst self-inflicted internecine warfare.(Europe in the first half of the 20th century AD) Only Egypt was left standing, and even benefitted, from the incorporation of defeated Sea Peoples as mercenaries settled as buffers along Egypt's borders. (The Philistines, settled in Palestine, are one key example.) The fomented collapse of the Late Bronze age was a tremendous Egyptian intelligence coup, which eliminated 2 hated superpower rivals, at comparatively minor cost. (In search of the Trojan War)

Then now you lost me, I don't see the connections between Atlantis and the rise of the Holy Land.

Neither Troy.

Probably I missing something.

Eddy_P · Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Australia

dlerinc · Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:29 pm

Exodus: April 11. 1260 BC. -
http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/exodus.htm

They are NOT in the Bible.

Describe murder of the Egyptian first-born:
Exodus 12:29 (King James Version)
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the
land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn
of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle."

Red Sea in Exodus 14:21-31.
21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea. The Lord drove the sea back
by a strong east wind all night, and turned the sea into dry land; and the waters were
divided. 22The Israelites went into the sea on dry ground, the waters forming a wall
for them on their right and on their left. 23The Egyptians pursued, and went into the
sea after them, all of Pharaoh’s horses, chariots, and chariot drivers. 24At the morning
watch the Lord in the pillar of fire and cloud looked down upon the Egyptian army, and
threw the Egyptian army into panic. 25He clogged* their chariot wheels so that they
turned with difficulty. The Egyptians said, ‘Let us flee from the Israelites, for the Lord is
fighting for them against Egypt.’
The Pursuers Drowned26 Then the Lord said to Moses, ‘Stretch out your hand over the
sea, so that the water may come back upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots and
chariot drivers.’ 27So Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and at dawn the
sea returned to its normal depth. As the Egyptians fled before it, the Lord tossed the
Egyptians into the sea. 28The waters returned and covered the chariots and the
chariot drivers, the entire army of Pharaoh that had followed them into the sea;
not one of them remained. 29But the Israelites walked on dry ground through the sea,
the waters forming a wall for them on their right and on their left.
30 Thus the Lord saved Israel that day from the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians
dead on the seashore. 31Israel saw the great work that the Lord did against the
Egyptians. So the people feared the Lord and believed in the Lord and in his servant
Moses.

Both of them is God.
Ahk-ton: It is believed that he was a Priest during the 19th Dynasty Egypt.
From a strange meteor he crafted the Orb of Ra, an extremely
powerful object with possible godly connections.
(Exposure to the Orb transformed Ahk-Ton to the first 'metamorph' :
a creature with complete control over the elements in his body.)
All of this is creation, legend, myth..whatever.

As I said, I missing something.
You ask what happened in 1260 BC. I completly can give you answer: Exodus.
For the rest of them: like I said before, you lost me here.

So far I'm lost and confused.

Eddy_P · Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Australia

Sorry to be confusing you.

Will get back to this after Christmas and New Year holidays.

Cheers -Eddy

dlerinc · Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:51 pm

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Eddy_P · Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Australia

dlerinc · Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:13 am

I going to be here. I would be happy to continue.
Just a note: I went over in my head and in the Egypt research library (I'm lucky, there is a museum with library,planetarium here in San Jose), and I do not find anything for that certain date: 1260 B.C.

App. 100 year later was the time of Akhnaton.

Anyway, I'm doing my research and hope to talk with you in time.

Dragan

Eddy_P · Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Australia

Dragan,
I will get back to you, but a family crisis with my father had occurred.

Regards,
Eddy

Eddy_P · Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Australia

Hi

Where were we ?

I believe I was trying to establish that a series of events around 1250BCE were associated or were the same event told as separate stories.

Eddy

Eddy_P · Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Australia

Something happened in around 1250BCE that was witnessed by only a few people.

Three stories came to pass.
1. The new Aten Religion that tried to supercede the existing 'Egyptian gods' religion/stories.
2. The story of Moses (written down) and the spawning of the Hebrew religion.
3. The Atlantis story - told to an Egyptian priest, passed on by word of mouth - Solon...???...down to Plato who wrote it down.

People assume all three were separate events shown to separate individuals who went and did their own 'religion/story'.

It is proposed that one event occurred that was witnessed by one Egyptian priest, being Moses (aka. Aten ?) spawning first the Aten religion, then the Hebrew religion (when the Aten religion was erased), with a third account of what was seen told to Plato as a discourse rather than a religious account.

I hope this makes sense.
Eddy

dlerinc · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:58 am

For Aten - you pointing for Aton? (Pharaoh Tuthmose III.- changed his name to Akhnaton) He was the one, who did try to establish a religion, which recognized Aton, the solar disk as a simbol of life. (I did have some update on the site, and I put him on the http://www.lost-empire-legend.com/egypt.htm page) - But this was happened app. 100 years after 1250B.C.

Yes, the excodus - which was the only one, what I basicly find for that year.
Well, we can maybe relate the event to Moses, but I do not find the connection of assume Moses maybe aka. Aten (of course my answer based on if Aten=Aton=Akhnaton). The religion going on a same direction, to have the one and only true god. But the solar disk as a simbol in one side, and the human figured god in the other side. As you said the Aten have been erased in order the rise up the hebrew religion - and yes it's make sense to change from untouchable to something more acceptable for human vision - but why would Moses aka. Aten .. then I assume it's would be two different person.

Unless to say, Akhnaton was only succesfull in his lifetime, later the earliest religion were established.

And in the meantime lets don't forget Atlantis, how we read it from Plato and from other different sources, Atlantis god were Posedion (Neptune) who is the god of the see. Or if i watch Aelian 175-235CE. - The Nature of Animals: "those living near the Ocean tell the tale that the ancient Atlantean Kings, tracing there lineage from neptune...". Proclus 412-485CE - Commentary on Plato's Timaeus: "The historians who speak of the islands of the exterior sea tell us that in their time there were seven islands consecrated to Proserpine, and three other of immense extent, of which the first was consecrated to Pluto, the second to Ammon, and the third to Neptune. The ingabitants of the latter had preserved a recollection of the island of lAtlantis, which was extremely large and for a long time held sway over all the islands of the Atlantic Ocean. Atlantis was also consecrated to Neptune."
So there is not only one god.

And just a thought - When jesus born: December 25. When Osiris born: December 25....and we can go on and on again, almost with all the "original" religion. The dates, the storys is samething, different names and a little different stories. (Under orginal I mean: the religions which we bring from our anchestor - the handfull new name religions it's copies to make a better living for someone - maybe it's strong to say, but this is what I think)

And the reason i brought it up: this event, which was possibly witnessed - this event in every religion, little curb here and there but all of them is a same event: the big disaster, flood, punishment from god(s) - etc.

dlerinc · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:13 am

The event was there, yet only the egyptian priest give a hand to start Atlantis. Which goes to Plato. And the Aztec? - the earliest findings: "they came from Atlan"
Herodotus ca.480-420BC - The Histories: "Near this salt hill is a mountain named Atlas, which is small in circuit and rounded on every side;....After this mountain these received their name, for they are called Atlanteans;"
we can relate Atlan - Atlas - Atlanteans

So, whatever religion has been started because of the witnessed event - there is only who survived and passed along for the worthy the knowledge of Atlantis - could tell the story for Solon.
Of course, I do believe there were survivers, who spreaded around the world - establish our early civilizations with high knowledge. - So as I continue in this line, the story came up to to the light trough Solon.